Oh yes, it has been a while since I updated my packsearching addition blog!
I had a family member pass away after being sick for the past month and needed to be there for him and his kids.
Wow, I really don't know where to start!!!
I'm sure this will just seem like me rambling on and on, but I have so much to share!
Ok. Here we go...
I'm just going to start with some tips and the hits I pulled.
First off, we all know about Panini Prizm. It first came out with 2012-13 Panini Prizm Basketball. That set was extremely popular and the 2012 Panini Prizm Football was just as popular as well! Finding the Redemptions/Autos weren't that difficult.
Then, Panini releases 2012 Panini Prizm Baseball. Sounds great right? Well, Panini doesn't have an official MLB license, so all team logos and such are photoshopped out and the pictures just look very bland without them. Still, that set was popular. About 95% of the interest were in the colored prizm parallels. Now with Basketball and Football the single packs (4 cards per pack) were the standard foil metal like packs at both Wal-Mart and Target. This all changed with 2012 Panini Baseball. Wal-Mart had the packs like they normally are. Target, however, used a white plastic like material for their packs and WOW!
I was able to get to Target 2 days after it was released and found 2 unsearched boxes! Well all you have to do is create a "staircase" with the cards in the pack. Essentially you separate each card just enough to see the front of all four cards. This creates the "staircase" effect as it looks like one. So using this technique I was able to not just find the packs with the (Retail-Only) Green Prizm card, but also the (Target Retail Only) Red Prizm card! It took only 5 minutes to search both 24 pack boxes and get the Green and Red Prizms. It also doesn't stop there! Using this exact same method for the back of the pack, I was able to see the card number and essentially know EVERY card in EVERY pack! I had the 2012 Panini Prizm Baseball checklist on my phone and just looked up the card numbers while I went through the packs!
I ended up getting 5 packs, I actually left 2 of the green prizm card packs and 1 red prizm pack because even for $2.99 a pack, the player wasn't worth it.
My camera isn't working, so until I get another one or a scanner, I don't have any pics of the cards I pulled. I will post the pics once I have the camera.
Here are the card I pulled...
Card #179 - Matt Harvey - Green Prizm Parallel Rookie Card! (VERY NICE!)
Card #TP5 - Wil Myers - Green Prizm - Top Prospect Rookie Card!
Card #140 - Tony Gwynn - Red Prizm Target Only Parallel
Card #185 - Hisashi Iwakuma - Red Prizm Target Only Rookie Card Parallel!
Card #25 - Ichiro Suzuki - Red Prizm Target Only Parallel!
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Next...
I found two hot packs of 2013 Press Pass NASCAR Ignite.
1.) Card #HT-JL - Joey Logano - Yellow Race-Used Firesuit Swatch
2.) Card #HT-JJ - Jimmie Johnson - Dark Blue Race-Used Firsuit Swatch
Next... I also found one rack pack of 2013 Topps Archives Baseball. I haven't opened it yet because its so easy to see every card in the pack This pack has card #60R-MT - Mike Trout Red Game-Used Jersey Card!
There's just so much more I want to share, but I have some errands and such I have to do today. I'll try to add more tonight or tomorrow.
Signed,
FloridaPackSearcher
Sunday, June 9, 2013
Thursday, May 16, 2013
Wednesday, May 1, 2013
2013 Topps Baseball Redemption Mailday!!!
This card wasn't pulled via pack searching, but it's so awesome I wanted to write about it.
On eBay there are many people who sell teams for group breaks. Sometimes a random team is offered or sometimes there are 30 separate auctions with each team listed in the title and description. Well 2013 Topps Baseball Series 1 had just been released a few weeks and I wanted to be part of a group break. I found one online. It was for a factory-sealed case of 2013 Topps Baseball Series 1 Jumbo Packs (6 boxes are in each case). I looked at all the teams and prices and I waited until there were just minutes left before I placed any bids. There were a few teams I wanted to win. However, I was outbid on every team except one. The Washington Nationals. I paid about $50 for the team with shipping. Kinda high but it seemed reasonable. Anyhow, a few days later I watched the break live online. I got pretty much what you'd expect from a 6 box jumbo case. I got 7 Bryce Harper base cards, 2 Chasing the Dream, 1 1972 Topps Mini, etc. As for the "hits" I was VERY lucky and received two! The first was a Bryce Harper Chasing the Dream Jersey Card! I have since traded it with a friend locally so I don't have a pic. At that point I figured I got my moneys worth as the jersey card and other cards were close to what I paid in value and I had fun watching the break live online!
Now I did say I got two hits... Well the 2nd hit was a redemption card. A redemption card for a 2013 Topps Baseball Series One - Chasing the Dream - Card #CDAR-JZ - Jordan Zimmermann - Autographed Patch Relic #'d to 25!!! I was SO SO excited! I redeemed it right away and just received the card on Monday. It was sent certified mail and I had to sign for it! That was pretty cool. Anyhow, I sat down and opened the package I just received. Here is the pic...
On eBay there are many people who sell teams for group breaks. Sometimes a random team is offered or sometimes there are 30 separate auctions with each team listed in the title and description. Well 2013 Topps Baseball Series 1 had just been released a few weeks and I wanted to be part of a group break. I found one online. It was for a factory-sealed case of 2013 Topps Baseball Series 1 Jumbo Packs (6 boxes are in each case). I looked at all the teams and prices and I waited until there were just minutes left before I placed any bids. There were a few teams I wanted to win. However, I was outbid on every team except one. The Washington Nationals. I paid about $50 for the team with shipping. Kinda high but it seemed reasonable. Anyhow, a few days later I watched the break live online. I got pretty much what you'd expect from a 6 box jumbo case. I got 7 Bryce Harper base cards, 2 Chasing the Dream, 1 1972 Topps Mini, etc. As for the "hits" I was VERY lucky and received two! The first was a Bryce Harper Chasing the Dream Jersey Card! I have since traded it with a friend locally so I don't have a pic. At that point I figured I got my moneys worth as the jersey card and other cards were close to what I paid in value and I had fun watching the break live online!
Now I did say I got two hits... Well the 2nd hit was a redemption card. A redemption card for a 2013 Topps Baseball Series One - Chasing the Dream - Card #CDAR-JZ - Jordan Zimmermann - Autographed Patch Relic #'d to 25!!! I was SO SO excited! I redeemed it right away and just received the card on Monday. It was sent certified mail and I had to sign for it! That was pretty cool. Anyhow, I sat down and opened the package I just received. Here is the pic...
How Awesome it that?!?!?!?!
The card is #'d 22/25!!!
The patch on this card is really nice! Black/Grey/Red
I know there is a market for this card as I've seen online there are many people who like to put together a master set of 2013 Topps Baseball. I've seen a few online from previous sets like 2012 Topps, 2011 Topps, etc. Obviously the sets don't contain press plates or any other 1/1 cards. Since this card was a redemption and there are only 25 produced should make this card highly desirable!
Thanks everyone for reading my blog here.
I also want to state in this post that I will be posting many more pack searching tips in the VERY near future! I have said previously I wouldn't give many pack searching tips, but I want to give out tips now.
Mostly because I want others to see how much fun and easy it is to pack search!
I do stand by my first tip. That tip being making your own packs with one pack having a jersey and the others just base. Practice, Practice, Practice is the best way to learn and become confident.
**Update** - May 1st, 2013
Sorry for the lack of posts recently. I've been quite busy lately. Anyhow, I did find a few more hot packs yesterday. First off was a 2012-13 Panini Basketball Rack Pack. Now, I knew this was a jersey card. I also knew it was from the "Panini Game Jerseys" set. So, I looked up the checklist on google. Overall there aren't many desirable players in that set. With the cost of the rack pack @ $4.98, it is almost not worth it. However, with this set, (2012-13 Panini Basketball), it is very easy to see the card number in the rack packs. I looked and saw "CARD No. 5".
Dwyane Wade Black Miami Heat Jersey Swatch! Nice! I also did something I almost NEVER do. I purchased a blaster box. I have no idea how to search a blaster, but I saw 2 blasters of 2013 Press Pass NASCAR Total Memorabilia. You receive one pack of 5 cards with a guarantee of a race-used relic! I'm a big NASCAR fan and figured I might as well since I haven't any NASCAR relic cards from 2013 sets. I pay the $19.98 and waited until I got home to open it. Well I open it up and I got a nice insert.
2013 Press Pass "Remembering Davey Allison" Card #1/10. This is the Blue Foil Parallel which are inserted 1 in every 100 packs! The other cards were nothing special except for this beauty...
Card #TM-DP2 - Danica Patrick Race-Used Sheet Metal Card!!! This card is beautiful, especially with a 3-color (Green, Black and Orange) Race-Used Sheet Metal Piece! These are the colors of her sponsor GoDaddy.com! This pull pumped me up. So I drive back to the same Wal-Mart and buy the other blaster. Once I got home I opened it. I pulled this...
ANOTHER Danica Patrick Race-Used Sheet Metal Insert!!! Card #TM-DP2. This time the piece of sheet metal is all grey. I looked up the checklist online and watched some breaks of the same blasters I bought on youtube. WOW was I lucky! There were many less desirable drivers in that set.
Here is a pic of both Danica Patrick cards together.
Aren't those two cards beautiful together? I love it, especially since it came from retail!
Friday, April 26, 2013
2012 Panini NFL Sticker Collection
Most people wouldn't think of searching this product, but I looked and saw an opportunity.
The back of the 2012 Panini NFL Sticker Collection Booster Packs are transparent enough to see the sticker number. I just grabbed a sticker album and searched the about 50 packs there and found 2 packs I liked. What made them special? One had an Andrew Luck Base Rookie and the other had an Andrew Luck Silver Rookie Insert! I am a big fan of the Indianapolis Colts, so this was extra cool! Especially since the packs only cost $0.99 each!
2013 Press Pass/Leaf Draft Football
Sorry for the slightly unfocused pictures, I'll get a scanner soon so the cards are much easier to see.
Here are my 2013 Press Pass/Leaf Draft Autographs...
For some reason there were a bunch of this product at the Targets & Wal-Marts in my area! Yay for me!
Here are my 2013 Press Pass/Leaf Draft Autographs...
For some reason there were a bunch of this product at the Targets & Wal-Marts in my area! Yay for me!
Four 2013 Press Pass Football Autographs
David Amerson Red Ink Signature & Stefphon Jefferson Red Ink Signature with "Stefpheezy"
Rex Burkhead & Denard Robinson
(Top Left) Desmond Trufant - (Top Right)Kenny Vacarro - (Bottom Left) Jon Bostic - (Bottom Right) - Everett Dawkins
(Top Left w/ Red Helmet) Gavin Escobar - (Top Right Red Jersey w/Yellow Helmet) Robert Alford - (Bottom Left Yellow Helmet w/Stripe) Chris Faulk - (Bottom Right Red Jersey w/White Helmet)
Sorry for the sideways pic, I'm just learning how to blog, how to add pictures, etc.
NFL Draft Class Photo Shoot
I'd like to bring up a few topics that relate to the relics/autographs from this years NFL Draft class
During the course of the 2013 NFL season, MANY jersey cards will be pulled of members of this draft class. I am aware that placing a game-used jersey/relic is very difficult because this is their rookie year.
From what I understand, 95%or more of these jerseys/patches/footballs/etc. are from the NFL Rookie Premiere Photo Shoot. The letter patches on the jerseys they wear spell "ROOKIE" instead of the players last name.
Anyhow, I think it would be extra extra fun to hang out and watch the entire photo shoot. Especially knowing that the jersey/patch card you pulled is from an event you attended. I wish the NFL had some kind of contest where 20 to 30 fans could be at the Rookie Premiere Photo Shoot and watch all the new rookies from the 2013 NFL Draft.
I think it would be awesome to hangout there.
What are your thoughts about this?
During the course of the 2013 NFL season, MANY jersey cards will be pulled of members of this draft class. I am aware that placing a game-used jersey/relic is very difficult because this is their rookie year.
From what I understand, 95%or more of these jerseys/patches/footballs/etc. are from the NFL Rookie Premiere Photo Shoot. The letter patches on the jerseys they wear spell "ROOKIE" instead of the players last name.
Anyhow, I think it would be extra extra fun to hang out and watch the entire photo shoot. Especially knowing that the jersey/patch card you pulled is from an event you attended. I wish the NFL had some kind of contest where 20 to 30 fans could be at the Rookie Premiere Photo Shoot and watch all the new rookies from the 2013 NFL Draft.
I think it would be awesome to hangout there.
What are your thoughts about this?
I have had time to think it over and ...
I have had time to think it over and I have decided... not to provide all of my "How-To Pack Search" tips like I originally planned. I won't provide tips on every product, but I will provide some tips and techniques that I believe will help you pack search effectively.
This very first tip I am providing is probably the most powerful and effective pack searching technique/method I can give you!
This is VERY simple, but it works!!!
Basically take five wrappers of 2013 Topps Baseball (I am just using this set as an example), place 12 base cards in 4 of the packs. Then place 9 base cards and 1 basic jersey card in the fifth pack. Make sure to put the jersey in the middle of the pack. So the order is four base cards, one jersey card, and then five base cards. Now, using some scotch tape, reseal the packs together as best you can.
Now you know which pack has the 'hit', so take the other packs and take note of any differences you find. Individually, try holding the packs sideways, grab the far left and far right of each pack and ever so slightly bend the pack. Obviously don't bend it so far as to damage the cards, but the idea of this exercise is to practice "bowing" the packs and noticing the difference between a pack of regular cards and a pack with a jersey card. Practice this as much as you can until it becomes so easy a caveman can do it. Ok, let's call that "Lesson #1". For my next Pack Searching Tip, I will help you determine the difference between a "hit" and a ""dummy" card.
Let me know if these tips I am providing help you out. Also, if you have any questions, thoughts, or CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM please feel free to leave some comments.
I know what most people think of pack searching and pack searchers. So, please don't be disrespectful or rude to me or anyone who comments on my blog. It just makes you look ignorant and ugly. I don't want to have a big argument on the ethics of pack searching. I understand your point of view on this topic, but I feel different about it.
With that said, I will be updating this blog a few times over this weekend. I will be visiting a friend in a hospital about 100 miles away. I plan to search thetwo Wal-Marts, one Target, and one KMart in that area. It's been 3 months since I last was there and searched those stores, so I am hella excited to see what I may find!
This very first tip I am providing is probably the most powerful and effective pack searching technique/method I can give you!
This is VERY simple, but it works!!!
Basically take five wrappers of 2013 Topps Baseball (I am just using this set as an example), place 12 base cards in 4 of the packs. Then place 9 base cards and 1 basic jersey card in the fifth pack. Make sure to put the jersey in the middle of the pack. So the order is four base cards, one jersey card, and then five base cards. Now, using some scotch tape, reseal the packs together as best you can.
Now you know which pack has the 'hit', so take the other packs and take note of any differences you find. Individually, try holding the packs sideways, grab the far left and far right of each pack and ever so slightly bend the pack. Obviously don't bend it so far as to damage the cards, but the idea of this exercise is to practice "bowing" the packs and noticing the difference between a pack of regular cards and a pack with a jersey card. Practice this as much as you can until it becomes so easy a caveman can do it. Ok, let's call that "Lesson #1". For my next Pack Searching Tip, I will help you determine the difference between a "hit" and a ""dummy" card.
Let me know if these tips I am providing help you out. Also, if you have any questions, thoughts, or CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM please feel free to leave some comments.
I know what most people think of pack searching and pack searchers. So, please don't be disrespectful or rude to me or anyone who comments on my blog. It just makes you look ignorant and ugly. I don't want to have a big argument on the ethics of pack searching. I understand your point of view on this topic, but I feel different about it.
With that said, I will be updating this blog a few times over this weekend. I will be visiting a friend in a hospital about 100 miles away. I plan to search thetwo Wal-Marts, one Target, and one KMart in that area. It's been 3 months since I last was there and searched those stores, so I am hella excited to see what I may find!
Wednesday, April 24, 2013
My First Post!
04-24-2013
Inspired by the blog "Amateur Hot Pack Hunter", I am starting a blog with the same intent. I will be blogging mostly about my pack searching results. However, I will also give my opinion and thoughts about new trading card releases. EVERY product I write about will be RETAIL ONLY! Also, every product I search is retail only.
I will also be giving some tips on how to pack search the new products.
Every company has a different way of placing the hits/inserts in the pack. Some are the top card, some are the bottom, some are 2nd card in, some are 3rd card in, etc.
Ok I am starting off by making a list and including some pictures of most of my hits/inserts from the past three months. I am open to trades, and cash. Just let me know what you would like to have from the cards I post below. We can possibly work a trade out, just make it fair for both of us. Also if you would like to purchase ANY card you see here, we can work something out. Just send me an email of your opinions. Thanks a bunch.
***2013 Press Pass Football***
These are pretty easy to search. I have found 4 autographs so far. What's surprised me about the autographs are the quality of the players I pulled. Here they are...
Card #PPS-SJ - STEFPHON JEFFERSON - University of Nevada Running Back - SHORT PRINT - Red Ink Autograph WITH an inscription "Stefpheezy" in Red Ink!
Card #PPS-DR - DENARD ROBINSON - University of Michigan Quarterback - Nice On-Card Autograph
Card #PPS-RB - REX BURKHEAD - University of Nebraska Running Back - On-Card Autograph
Card #PPS-DA - DAVID AMERSON - North Carolina State University Cornerback - SHORT PRINT - Red Ink Autograph
***2013 Leaf Draft Football***
This product is simple to search. I've managed to find 7 Autographs so far! Here they are...
Card #BA-KV1 - KENNY VACCARO - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-RA1 - ROBERT ALFORD - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-DT3 - DREW TERRELL - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-CF1 - CHRIS FAULK - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-GE1 - GAVIN ESCOBAR - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-ED1 - EVERETT DAWKINS - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-JB1 - JON BOSTIC- Authentic Autograph
***2013 Topps Series One Baseball***
This card was an AWESOME find!
Card #TG-24 - SANDY KOUFAX - "The Greats" RED PARALLEL Version Individually Numbered 15/50! Odds from the retail pack I opened are 1 in 5,271 packs!
Card #CHR-JHA - JOSH HAMILTON - Chasing History Insert with a Blue Texas Rangers Game-Used Swatch
Card #274 - MIGUEL MONTERO - Camo Border Parallel - #'d 62/99
***2012 Topps Magic Football***
Card #159 - NICK FAIRLEY - Autograph
Card #162 - GOLDEN TATE - Autograph
Card #268 - LANCE KENDRICKS - Autograph
***2012 Panini Prizm Football***
Card #296 - TYRONE CRAWFORD - Rookie Autograph - #'d 163/499
Card #248 - CHRIS RAINEY - Rookie Autograph - REDEMPTION CARD
***2012-13 Panini Basketball***
Card #262 - DAMIAN LILLARD - Rookie Card
Card #5 - DWYANE WADE - Panini Game Jerseys - Black Miami Heat Game-Worn Jersey Card
Card #14 - AL JEFFERSON - Panini Game Jerseys - White Utah Jazz Game-Worn Jersey Card
Card #27 - MARC GASOL - Panini Game Jerseys - Dark Blue Memphis Grizzlies Jersey Card
***OTHER***
***2012 Upper Deck Football Heroes***
Card #RJ-JS - JEROME SIMPSON - White Cinncinati Bengals Game-Worn Jersey Swatch
2012 Bowman Football
Card #ITNR-SJ - STEVE JOHNSON - Inside the Numbered Insert with Red Buffalo Bills Jersey
2012 Topps Prime Football -Card #TR-DP - DeVier Posey - Triple Relic Card - Includes Two Red Houston Texans Jersey Swatches and One Blue Houston Texans Jersey Swatch. The card is #'d 115/194
2008 Upper Deck Football - MATT FORTE - Upper Deck Rookie Jersey Insert - with Dark Blue Chicago Bears Jersey Swatch
2012 Upper Deck SP Golf
Card #AF-CS - CURTIS STRANGE - Authentic Fabrics - 3-Color PGA Tournament Swatch
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I currently have just one "guaranteed hot pack". It is a Factory-Sealed rack pack of 2012-13 Panini Basketball that contains a Panini Game Used Jersey Relic Card of TAYSHAUN PRINCE & Card #262 Damian Lillard.
Inspired by the blog "Amateur Hot Pack Hunter", I am starting a blog with the same intent. I will be blogging mostly about my pack searching results. However, I will also give my opinion and thoughts about new trading card releases. EVERY product I write about will be RETAIL ONLY! Also, every product I search is retail only.
I will also be giving some tips on how to pack search the new products.
Every company has a different way of placing the hits/inserts in the pack. Some are the top card, some are the bottom, some are 2nd card in, some are 3rd card in, etc.
Ok I am starting off by making a list and including some pictures of most of my hits/inserts from the past three months. I am open to trades, and cash. Just let me know what you would like to have from the cards I post below. We can possibly work a trade out, just make it fair for both of us. Also if you would like to purchase ANY card you see here, we can work something out. Just send me an email of your opinions. Thanks a bunch.
***2013 Press Pass Football***
These are pretty easy to search. I have found 4 autographs so far. What's surprised me about the autographs are the quality of the players I pulled. Here they are...
Card #PPS-SJ - STEFPHON JEFFERSON - University of Nevada Running Back - SHORT PRINT - Red Ink Autograph WITH an inscription "Stefpheezy" in Red Ink!
Card #PPS-DR - DENARD ROBINSON - University of Michigan Quarterback - Nice On-Card Autograph
Card #PPS-RB - REX BURKHEAD - University of Nebraska Running Back - On-Card Autograph
Card #PPS-DA - DAVID AMERSON - North Carolina State University Cornerback - SHORT PRINT - Red Ink Autograph
***2013 Leaf Draft Football***
This product is simple to search. I've managed to find 7 Autographs so far! Here they are...
Card #BA-KV1 - KENNY VACCARO - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-RA1 - ROBERT ALFORD - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-DT3 - DREW TERRELL - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-CF1 - CHRIS FAULK - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-GE1 - GAVIN ESCOBAR - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-ED1 - EVERETT DAWKINS - Authentic Autograph
Card #BA-JB1 - JON BOSTIC- Authentic Autograph
***2013 Topps Series One Baseball***
This card was an AWESOME find!
Card #TG-24 - SANDY KOUFAX - "The Greats" RED PARALLEL Version Individually Numbered 15/50! Odds from the retail pack I opened are 1 in 5,271 packs!
Card #CHR-JHA - JOSH HAMILTON - Chasing History Insert with a Blue Texas Rangers Game-Used Swatch
Card #274 - MIGUEL MONTERO - Camo Border Parallel - #'d 62/99
***2012 Topps Magic Football***
Card #159 - NICK FAIRLEY - Autograph
Card #162 - GOLDEN TATE - Autograph
Card #268 - LANCE KENDRICKS - Autograph
***2012 Panini Prizm Football***
Card #296 - TYRONE CRAWFORD - Rookie Autograph - #'d 163/499
Card #248 - CHRIS RAINEY - Rookie Autograph - REDEMPTION CARD
***2012-13 Panini Basketball***
Card #262 - DAMIAN LILLARD - Rookie Card
Card #5 - DWYANE WADE - Panini Game Jerseys - Black Miami Heat Game-Worn Jersey Card
Card #14 - AL JEFFERSON - Panini Game Jerseys - White Utah Jazz Game-Worn Jersey Card
Card #27 - MARC GASOL - Panini Game Jerseys - Dark Blue Memphis Grizzlies Jersey Card
***OTHER***
***2012 Upper Deck Football Heroes***
Card #RJ-JS - JEROME SIMPSON - White Cinncinati Bengals Game-Worn Jersey Swatch
2012 Bowman Football
Card #ITNR-SJ - STEVE JOHNSON - Inside the Numbered Insert with Red Buffalo Bills Jersey
2012 Topps Prime Football -Card #TR-DP - DeVier Posey - Triple Relic Card - Includes Two Red Houston Texans Jersey Swatches and One Blue Houston Texans Jersey Swatch. The card is #'d 115/194
2008 Upper Deck Football - MATT FORTE - Upper Deck Rookie Jersey Insert - with Dark Blue Chicago Bears Jersey Swatch
2012 Upper Deck SP Golf
Card #AF-CS - CURTIS STRANGE - Authentic Fabrics - 3-Color PGA Tournament Swatch
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I currently have just one "guaranteed hot pack". It is a Factory-Sealed rack pack of 2012-13 Panini Basketball that contains a Panini Game Used Jersey Relic Card of TAYSHAUN PRINCE & Card #262 Damian Lillard.
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